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Differences between team-season pages in "Regular season" sections

I was reviewing some NHL team pages for the current season this morning, and I'm surprised at the inconsistent formatting, colors, and columns across the different team pages in the "Regular season" sections.

Examples, but not an exhaustive list:

2024–25 New York Rangers season has Game/Date/Opponent/Score/OT/Decision/Location/Attendance/Record/Points/Recap columns, and uses green/red/white for win/loss/ot-loss.
2024–25 Washington Capitals season has #/Date/Visitor/Score/Home/OT/Decision/Location/Attendance/Record columns, links the score to the recap, and also uses the green/red/white colors for win/loss/ot-loss.
2024–25 Pittsburgh Penguins season has #/Date/Visitor/Score/Home/OT/Arena/Decision/Attendance/Record/Points/Recap, and uses green/light purple/yellow for win/loss/ot-loss.

Last year, I created {{Game-won}} and other associated templates (linked in the "See also" section of the documentation) to help with consistent colors to denote which teams won/lost games. Those templates are currently being used in all of the 2024 NFL team season pages, the current-season PWHL pages, as well as in the {{CIH schedule entry}} (which itself is used in over 1,000 pages.)

What do the members of the WikiProject here think about creating consistency among the different team pages in these sections? Is it something that we'd like to strive for, or not? --Mike Vitale 20:13, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Across the season pages sounds good! Conyo14 (talk) 23:10, 9 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a template for the legend? --NHL04 (talk) 18:53, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I'm aware of.

That said, I've been considering how we might create something similar to (or combine with?) {{CIH schedule start}} and {{CIH schedule entry}} that college hockey team season pages use. Example: 2024–25 Minnesota Golden Gophers women's ice hockey season and 2024–25 Minnesota Golden Gophers men's ice hockey season.

I like the code that goes along with using a template with named parameters for the information instead of just a bare set of table code. But then, I am a software developer by trade... --Mike Vitale 23:09, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personal bias, but I'd rather like to keep doing things the way they are at 2024–25 Vegas Golden Knights season - I prefer the less table-like look. The Kip ^(contribs) 22:08, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "less table-like", do you mean the fact that the VGK page has white borders around the cells instead of black borders like on the NYR page? --Mike Vitale 23:12, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pretty much, as well as the white background rather than grey. Just looks cleaner to me. The Kip ^(contribs) 23:13, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure I much care about that.

If we were to build a template (as I suggested above), I'm sure we could build parameters into it so that either grey or white background could be output. --Mike Vitale 23:18, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This morning, I completed editing the 2024-25 pages for all NHL teams to replace any type of manual styling (whether that was bgcolor=fff or style="background:#fff;") to use the {{Game-won}}, {{Game-otl}}, and {{Game-lost}} templates. This means all teams (for the current season) are now using the following web-safe colors to denote W/L/OTL:

#cfc -   Win (2 points)
#fcc -   Loss (0 points)
#fff -   Overtime/shootout loss (1 point)

Additionally, for future games, they were given a comment of . This will hopefully make it easier to use moving forward. --Mike Vitale 17:15, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely appreciate the templates replacing the manual styling, seems quite a lot more straightforward/simple. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:34, 15 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Media rights at International Tournaments

There is a discussion at 4 Nations Face-Off regarding whether every non-involved countries' media coverage should be included in the article. Conyo14 (talk) 22:37, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yevgeni Belosheikin

It has come up that it is possible that he received a gold medal as the third goalie at the 1998 Calgary Olympics. Eliteprospects claims it to be true, but the IIHF guide and record book does not list him on the roster. The official report from the LA84 foundation lists him on page 657 as part of the the Soviet delegation (spelled Evgueni Belocheikine). I don't know if the LA84 reference confirms him as a medalist or not though. I can't find him in the Olympics.com database but maybe it is incomplete or I am missing something.18abruce (talk) 15:49, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lacking something from the IOC itself, the IIHF is the primary authority here, being the governing body for international hockey. Ravenswing 16:14, 16 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I appear to have gotten myself into an edit war here. Interested parties could way in there to establish a consensus. Thank you.18abruce (talk) 01:19, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe you meant 1988, rather than 1998? GoodDay (talk) 15:01, 2 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

United States men's national ice hockey team

Hi there, I want to constructive a competitive record in world championships and add back the datas, inclued the team result, position, games played, won & lost, GF, GA. The format will be same as olympic games. But unfortunately, a user Flibirigit seems that disagree and said that no WP:CONSENSUS to change it. How should I do and I need ask someone for help. Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 02:16, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat my suggestion made multiple times: Use a sandbox or user subpage to develop the chart, so it can be compared. It is best to have a current version and a proposed version to look at it. You are currently making test edits by overwriting a table on a talk page, which breaks the discussion history, and cannot be followed in a chronological discussion. Again, please use a sandbox for the test edits! Flibirigit (talk) 02:20, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A previous discussion can be found at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Archive86#Edit_war_situation_at_United_States_men's_national_ice_hockey_team, directly related to the above. Flibirigit (talk) 02:37, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stevencocoboy: Why do you ignore messages on your talkpage? GoodDay (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Canadian national ice hockey team rosters (low importance)

Just wanted to revisit an old discussion re:Criteria for a team's inclusion. See my same comment on the talk page there:

I feel like a decade and a half later we need to re-evaluate. If we are not including select and invitational tournaments like Canada Cup or Spengler Cup, nor are we including limited-entry Women's events like the 4 Nations Cup, should we really be including limited NHL-events like the 2016 World Cup of Hockey or the 2025 Five Nations Face-Off?

–uncleben85 (talk) 16:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've deleted 2025 4 Nations Face-Off from that article. The tournament doesn't quite fit there & it's addition seems based as WP:RECENTISM, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 16:43, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think we should be including the rosters of all best on best tournaments, as their prestige alone makes them worthy of inclusion. Events like the Spengler Cup can be left out though.-- Earl Andrew - talk 17:28, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best-on-best gets subjective, though, when participation is limited. The past two Olympics, for example, had Canadian rosters comparable to the Spengler rosters, and the 4 Nations arguably was missing some of the best players in the world due to the exclusion of specific countries. –uncleben85 (talk) 02:06, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best-on-best? No team Russia, Czechia, Slovakia, Germany? GoodDay (talk) 02:13, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Best on best is subjective, I suppose, but is usually backed by reliable sources. This tournament was definitely considered best on best by the media, even without Russia. And if Russia is excluded from the Olympics, does that really mean we can't call it best of best? There's a reason why they're excluded, and we can't let it be the reason why we can't call this best on best.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:14, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We do not need rosters at all on national team articles. They require constant maintenance and only replicate when is easily available on other web sites. The roster can go on the specific event article instead. Flibirigit (talk) 16:55, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of Political tensions to 4 Nations Face-Off

There is a discussion at Talk:2025 4 Nations Face-Off#People booing. regarding whether the political tensions between Canada and the United States should be added to this article. Conyo14 (talk) 17:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move notice

An editor has requested that Dump'n'Chase be moved to Dump and chase, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Left guide (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Montreal Canadiens

@Diannaa: & @Mactin:, we don't show diacritics in the names of people per WP:NCIH, at North American-based non-player articles. GoodDay (talk) 20:04, 23 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:2027 NHL entry draft

Howdy all,

With the trade deadline approaching, I figured it'd be a good time to get this draft page started up, seeing as a lot of 2027 picks are more than likely to be traded at this deadline. Feel free to take a look/make improvements; I believe I've gotten all the traded picks thus far, but I might've missed one or two. The Kip ^(contribs) 06:29, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Later today I'll add a section on top prospects since there's so much buzz around Landon DuPont. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 14:35, 24 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Memorial Cup champions might be a Featured list removal candidate

I have started a discussion at Talk:List of Memorial Cup champions#Quality concerns and possible Featured list removal candidate. Comments are welcome there. Flibirigit (talk) 18:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can help fix this, but I'm making my way through the Blair Atcheynum article right now, and I should be finished in the next couple of days. Llammakey (talk) 18:24, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have done my best. Someone might want to give it a one over for grammar and such. Llammakey (talk) 17:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Champions Hockey League

How do we differentiate between the two Champions Hockey Leagues in articles? The ZSC Lions have won the latest tournament and their article has a list of their championships, but since they have previously won a different tournament of the same name, the list includes the Champions Hockey League two times. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 19:07, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Champions Hockey League (2008–09), or keep the Silver Stone Trophy as the disambiguation. Conyo14 (talk) 20:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of NHL statistical leaders

Resolved

May we have the 'red colored' edit notice, updated to 2024-25? GoodDay (talk) 22:38, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay I'm not sure if I follow. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Red lettered note says "Please do not include statistics from the 2023-24 NHL season". GoodDay (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. To be quite honest, I don't know how to fix that. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:10, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Only an admin can update that. Conyo14 (talk) 18:27, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Djsasso: use to do it, every year. But, he hasn't been around the 'pedia, very much these days. GoodDay (talk) 19:03, 26 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've put in a request, at WP:AN. GoodDay (talk) 00:36, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright issue

I have a digital photograph of the Porin Ässät goaltender Antero kivelä from the 1979 European Cup game against CSKA Moscow. I'm not sure where it was played, but it was in 1979. I'd like to upload it to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure if it is protected by copyright or who the author would be. I'm pretty sure it was not played in Finland since Ässät are playing in their white away jersey. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 22:18, 27 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did some digging through Wikipedia's copyright policies/guides, I think Finnish stuff is 50 years from publication before it enters the public domain but I'm not entirely sure. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:34, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Overtime statistics

There is a user that keeps going around and adding overtime statistics on each NHL team's season page even though they've been reverted multiple times. Xolkan (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cheaters33: Is this you? They do not seem to be very talkative. However, what is the consensus on this type of content. I do not have an opinion. Conyo14 (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's unreferenced and irrelevant, and should be removed. The Kip ^(contribs) 19:33, 28 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Xolkan:I think in the end, the overtime statistics for NHL season teams does not have to be added which I understand why you remove the Overtime statistics since its not really necessary. NicholasHui (talk) 04:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed them from the teams that had them. Conyo14 (talk) 06:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Championships in awards?

Do we include league titles, for example Stanley Cups, in the awards section for players? I see them in some articles but not all of them. – Poriman55 - Meddela mig! 20:26, 5 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can see the argument either way, I don't personally care. Whatever the consensus is I will follow. Wheatzilopochtli (talk) 14:32, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We almost always list Stanley Cups (see Keegan Kolesar, Luke Schenn, Patrick Maroon, etc), but I'm not sure about other league championships. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen IIHF tournament championship medals and Olympic medals, but rarely European league titles. I think so long as it's an upper tier professional league, it can be mentioned. Conyo14 (talk) 18:14, 6 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]